Search
Subscribe | Register | Login


To participate in the Discussion Forum on this site, you must be a registered user.
Please
register or log in.
 

Discussions Minimize
 
  Forum  Discussions  Bumpouts  What's a bumpout?
Previous Previous
 
Next Next
New Post 3/30/2009 5:25 PM
  JohnB
15 posts
7th Level Poster


Re: What's a bumpout? 
Modified By JohnB  on 3/30/2009 4:26:53 PM)

There are many neighborhoods in Toronto with bumpouts (College street has bumpouts, for example - a fact that makes the Kalendar patio possible), but this is the first time a bumpout has been conceived that would allow TTC riders to board the streetcar directly from a raised roadway.

On some streets,  people may say the street has "parking bays," emphasizing the parking availability over the public space made available by the sidewalk that is not cut away. This project, however, refers to "bumpouts," emphasizing the new public space over parking. In both cases, the sidewalk width varies along the street, with parking alternating with public space. Traffic, however, travels in a straight line.

In the current City/TTC Roncesvalles proposal, right turn lanes will be preserved, so existing traffic flow will not be affected.

 
New Post 10/1/2009 12:19 AM
  Lorraine Hawley
1 posts
10th Level Poster


Re: What's a bumpout? 

I am still having difficulty understanding why the bumpouts seem to be the big priority in the 'renewal' of our street.  As of the supposed community 'consultation' with Gord Perks on Monday night ( I call it supposed as it was quite clear to everyone that attended that there is to be no consulation at this stage - any questions or suggestions were quickly dismissed) there is not enough money to complete the project as originally proposed.  It seems the bumpouts will suck up most available money and the number of new trees, the changing of trees from the current concrete coffins, street furniture, new lighting, sidewalk upgrades, etc are all off the table. 

Why were there no proposals or options for renewal without the bumpouts?  Is it not possilbe to increase the tree health and number of trees, upgrade the sidewalks, street furniture and lighting without the TTC driven bumpouts?  I fully understand that the bumpouts provide some extra space and will be slightly safer but I am not aware of any real issue with streetcar boarding safety.  I also understand accessablity is an issue but hasn't the TTC looked at options like electric buses (winning awards in Vancouver) which can change lanes for safety and to avoid stalled cars, etc.  As well wouldn't the number of people on bikes served by some sort of bike land accomodation be far larger than the number of people who would be better served by lowrider streetcars? 

 
New Post 10/22/2009 4:47 PM
  JohnB
15 posts
7th Level Poster


Re: What's a bumpout? 
Modified By JohnB  on 10/23/2009 8:46:00 PM)

A year ago, the BIA stressed to the City that trees were its main priority, agreeing with the stated priorities of the three neighbouring residents' associations (at an RMRA meeting earlier this year, the RMRA stated that its top three priorities were: 1) trees, 2) trees and 3) trees). The BIA considers the bumpouts mainly a TTC prioritiy, but recognizes that with extra public space, there are opportunities for an improved public realm, pedestrian space, patios, merchandise displays, etc.

More importantly, the BIA also recognizes that the entire city is undergoing a reorientation of transportation priorities away from car travel towards pedestrian and transit uses. This is happening not only in Toronto, but everywhere in the world. Roncesvalles is host to the busiest surface transit line in all of North America, so it would be foolish to think that we would be immune to such changes. Elsewhere, the strategy seems to have been to carve up the street (eg: St. Clair, and soon Sheppard and Eglinton), turn the street into a busy thoroughfare (eg: Dundas West, which just lost over 70 parking spots to open up more lanes of traffic) or otherwise impose traffic restrictions that would allow the streetcar to move through more freely (left turn restrictions, banning cars during rush hour, staggering street access for cars). The Roncesvalles bumpout proposal, in contrast, emphasizes the sharing of the street between all users, integrating the streetcars into the fabric of the street, improving access to the streetcar, while speeding up boarding and alighting times (the main source of streetcar delays, according to TTC studies). This is accomplished while preserving 92% of existing parking, improving conditions for pedestrians and cyclists, and without impeding existing traffic flow or imposing traffic restrictions. Compared to the likely alternatives facing Roncesvalles, I would say this is a very good deal.

As I understand it, money is still being sought for the project, with apparent success. At the Sunnyside Community Association AGM last week, Gord Perks pledged that the new Roncesvalles would have a healthy canopy that includes 120 new trees, all along Roncesvalles, on both sides of the streets and not just at bumpouts.

As for the poor quality of the Sept. 21 meeting, I'm afraid I must agree. However, the BIA has been collecting input from its members independent of any formal City consultation process, and we will make sure these comments get to the right people. Despite the frustrating meeting on Sept. 21, the BIA urges everyone to continue providing information about local conditions and local priorities.

 
Previous Previous
 
Next Next
  Forum  Discussions  Bumpouts  What's a bumpout?

Discussion Policy

These Discussion Forums are dedicated to the discussion of the Roncesvalles Renewed project.

For the benefit of the community and to protect the integrity of the project, please observe the following posting guidelines:

1. No Advertising. This includes promotion of commercial and non-commercial products or services which are not directly related to Roncesvalles Renewed.
2. No Flaming or Trolling.
3. No Profanity, Racism, or Prejudice.
4. Site Moderators have the final word on approving/removing a thread or post or comment.